From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) AON videos Date: 03 Aug 1999 19:25:42 PDT To everyone that has enquired lately : Unfortunately, I will no longer be able to make copies of my Art of Noise footage anymore. I have been having problems with my VCR eating my tapes all of the time, so I cannot put my original copies in danger any longer. I will also be going off-line around October or November due to Basic Military Training and tech school. Until I receive a new VCR; have settled in my station, and I have regained net access, the tapes will be in storage. NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: (ztt) Art of noise/seal for sale Date: 04 Aug 1999 10:08:14 -0700 Hi, I have the following ZTT/Art of noise related items for sale up on ebay, email me with any questions. I also have a few of the latest Seal promos (lost my faith remix, human beeinngs), which aren't on on Ebay, but if you're interested, let me know i have several copies for trade/sale (preferred trade.) thanks for looking, jon http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=137874778 Art of noise: Moments in Love UK cd single http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=137890787 Art of Noise/orb/youth: Art of Love UK 12" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=138810192 Propaganda: P:Machinery (polish) UK 12" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=138811075 Art of Noise: Metaforce US promo 2x12" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=139246262 ART OF NOISE: Debussy LITHOGRAM (SIGNED) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140719329 art of silence.co.uk (JJ from the art of noise) UK OOP CD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin L Poulter Subject: Re: (ztt) Art of noise TSoCD promo Date: 04 Aug 1999 18:14:55 +0100 (BST) Esprit (www.eil.com) have the 12-track promo of TSoCD at sixteen pounds (1 pound= 1.6USD). -- MARTIN L: Postgrad. researching philosophy of belief and Bayesian inductive M POULTER : logic at Bristol Uni., UK. * Avoid b/width-wasting blank space! * c Cult Concern FAQ + Soppy Compliments Page + Celibate FAQ + Gifts from "Bob" Q Helena Kobrin Page + Scientology Criticism: http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~plmlp/ ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) WTB: artofsilence.co.uk Date: 04 Aug 1999 23:29:43 -0500 mike@hyperreal.org wrote: > Can someone point me to someplace where I can buy the artofsilence.co.uk > CD? Thanks > > - Mike I'm afraid that there is no place currently stocking the album "artofsilence.co.uk" anymore. I contacted JJ a few months ago and he stated that he has exited the music biz entirely. He claims he is now "happy selling futures". But he was quick to point out the, then pending, AON album "The Seduction of Claude Debussey". So much for me getting my hands on that last artofsilence single "Teach Me". I find it interesting that so many people on here and abroad claimed to dislike artofsilence.co.uk's sound, yet, appreciate Seduction. The two sound very much alike considering that they both employ various current club music styles. House music is very prevalent in both of them. In my opinion, the core music of both albums are very similar. The major differences are more piano work and more of those little added background/accent noises from Anne and Trevor. Personally, I love both albums. But, JJ got there first... -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality" - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) Two questions about AoN's TSoCB Date: 05 Aug 1999 00:12:34 -0500 "Hendrickx, Margaretha" wrote: > Why John Hurt? > > "1984?" "Love and Death on Long Island"? > > Why "metaphor on the floor" (10)? Why "the floor"? > > Is it the "Disco floor (to dance and act out AoN as a metaphor)?" Or, is > the floor in a literal meaning? to be trampled and walked over? Or, is > there still another explanation? > > Cheers * Maggie So far only one answer has gotten close to the original meaning. However, nobody has nailed it on the head. "Metaphor on the floor" is a pun on the American term 4 on the floor. This is an automotive reference. It got it's start in the 50's and was popularized in the 60's by ads for such cars as the Oldsmobile Cutlass 442. It is referencing a 4 speed manual transmission shifter located on the floorboard of the car as opposed to a column shifter. A floor shifter is preferable since there are fewer connective mechanics to the transmission, this way. And shifting gears this way is a much more natural, fluid motion. I don't even like automatic transmissions that shift on the column. All the more reason why I miss my Cutlass. Any way, as cars through the 60's grew faster and more powerful "4 on the floor" became synonymous with the performance rather than the feature. Rock and roll musicians adopted the phrase to indicate songs where the kick drum is struck on all four beats of 4/4 time signature. It creates a greater punch to the sound of any song. Disco, new wave and techno music are the most notorious of the genres for relying, heavily, on the 4 on the floor beat. The irony is that the beat of "Metaphor on the Floor" isn't quite your stock 4 on the floor beat. One of the upsides to drum & bass. I can only assume that exposure to Californian logic and culture, at Sarm West Studio Los Angeles, has infected and corrupted Trevor and company to be aware of street racing terms. I, now, have an odd image of their next album alluding to centerline wheels, 4 wheel anti-lock disc brakes and smog pumps. God I hope not. As for the person answering with getting down on all fours, it would seem you have some personal issues to be addressed. Seek help or seek out a lover who experiments a bit... your choice. ;-> Just kidding. -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality" - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) AON videos Date: 09 Aug 1999 13:47:43 PDT Lately, I said that I won't be able to make copies of my AON footage anymore. Well, I don't want to leave anyone hanging, so I will give you the e-mail address of the original trader who I bought the tapes from. Last time I checked, his address was : ronkane@eathlink.net I would PLEASE ask that you DON'T flood him becuase I'm not sure if he would want me to give out his address to everyone or not, but I feel that it would be unfair to leave you guys out on some lost AON treasure. NOTE : He charges roughly $20 for each tape. His prices are higher than mine becuase his dubbing machine is of superb quality. He might charge more for shipping; I'm not sure. Also, be sure to ask him about foreign conversions because I'm not sure if he performs these either. He has everything that I have EXCEPT for the "Art of Love" video. I personally received that tape from the guys at China and Sire. He just doesn't deal in Art of Noise either; if you're interested in any other artists, just ask. I think he has something like 60,000 videos in his collection. He also buys a lot of Japanese imports. He is a great guy; a true God send. So, there you have it. I probably should have told you guys earlier, but I wasn't really thinking about it until now. Love you all, NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FlatCracker Software" Subject: (ztt) Rare Propaganda MP3's Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:49:15 -0600 Hello ZTT people, I have been a ZTT newsletter subscriber since 1994. I am a big fan of Propaganda. I can't wait till their new album comes out in 2000. Is it me or is this band a little lazy. Two albums in 14 years. Whatever. I decided to place some rare Propaganda MP3 files on a web page for you to download. Back in 1988 I bought two 3 Inch Propaganda CD singles from Japan at my local CD Shop for $8.00 a piece. I noticed over the years that people subscribing to this newsletter have been looking for these discs. (Dr. Mabuse and P-Machinery) Well your dream has come true. These items and a rare version of P-Machinery / Frozen Faces from a Razzormaid disc are on the following web page. http://www.flatcracker.com/propaganda/index.htm Note: The mp3 files are zipped. You will need to unzip them. I hope you enjoy it. Shane # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise tidbit in new Lexicon Date: 11 Aug 1999 14:41:10 -0400 Shameless SAM, but I thought the list would be interested. Single copies are available for $5 (post paid in the US, overseas add $3)- Lexicon, PO Box 1734, Wheaton, MD 20915 The current issue of Lexicon is on newsstands now and in the mail to our subscribers! This issue features a cool as heck cover, interview and full-length discography (and we do mean lengthy!) with the pop terrorists known as the Art of Noise. There are also interviews/articles on Peter Bryne (of Naked Eyes), Toyah, Marc Almond (part two of two), the fake Frankie Goes to Hollywood, the Bongos, Rational Youth, live Rick Springfield, a classic 1994 interview with Terry Hall, Nile Rodgers, Front Line Assembly, Cosmicity, Attrition and Peter Ulrich (Dead Can Dance). Plus, a chance to win the new Lilac Time CD (with 5 bonus tracks not on the import). And the usual goodies like news, Thea's Trivia Questions and our fan resource section. Reviews this issue include new releases from ABC (live album), Real Life (remix album), Duran Duran (single), Strawberry Switchblade (new Rose McDowal "Sorrow" project, plus an exclusive photo of Rose!), plus dozens more. 52 action packed pages of '80s fun! New subscribers get a free Cd featuring Real Life, Mari Wilson, Mesh, Cosmicity and many more. For more info visit our webpage: Thanks -Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jordan.feinman@ps.ge.com Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise Date: 11 Aug 1999 15:28:57 -0400 Hello, Can anyone tell me some of Art of Noise's hits from the 80's? Do they have any hits? I've never heard of them, but may be interested in picking up one of their CD's if I can identify at least one song I've heard from them on the radio. Thanks, Jordan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise Hits Date: 12 Aug 1999 00:24:03 +0300 Art of Noise official UK Hits from biggest to smallest: Top 5: Kiss Top 10: Close (To the Edit), Peter Gunn Top 20: Paranoimia Top 75: Instruments of Darkness (All of Us Are One People), Moments In Love/Beat Box, Metaforce, Dragnet, Yebo, Art of Love, Legs Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McCormick" Subject: (ztt) 'Tom Jones' pops up again... Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:20:37 +0100 Hi ztters, While I think of it, has anyone ever mentioned BBC 1's 'The Other Half' here in the UK? [well I have now I suppose] Fact: It makes use of a medley of songs by ArtOfNoise using 'Kiss' as the main hook. Does anyone know who put this medley together? perhaps it is a 'BBC version'. If no one knows, i'll ask at the beeb. John M. -- // Northamptonshire, ENGLAND. * \\ \\ Please visit my web pages at: (from 15/8/99) // // http://www.johnmccormick.cwc.net * \\ \\ and also still available at: (now) // // http://members.tripod.com/~jmccormick * \\ \\ - * - * // # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Propaganda.de@t-online.de (propaganda.de) Subject: (ztt) Propaganda / ACT: PANDEMONIUM Date: 12 Aug 1999 07:07:35 +0200 Hi all, last night i`ve seen an old MTV video from ACT on a recorded tape. MTV writes in the left lower corner: Group; Title, ALbumtitle; i think everyone knew this, but here was the inexplicable. ACT Absolute immune "PANDEMONIUM" Does anyone know, if "PANDEMONIUM" was the working title for the album, as for "A secret wish" it was "Devils advocates" or is this a MTV pandemonium ?????? bye Karl http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ ANOTHER HOPE IS ANOTHER DREAM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jordan.feinman@ps.ge.com Subject: RE: (ztt) Art of Noise Date: 12 Aug 1999 07:52:55 -0400 Thank you, and every one else for your replies! Jordan -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 6:23 AM >From: jordan.feinman@ps.ge.com >To: ztt@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise >Date: Wed, Aug 11, 1999, 8:28 pm > > Hello, > > Can anyone tell me some of Art of Noise's hits from the 80's? Do they have > any hits? I've never heard of them, but may be interested in picking up one > of their CD's if I can identify at least one song I've heard from them on > the radio. > > Thanks, > > Jordan Hi Jordan, The track you'd be looking for is called 'Close (to the edit)' and thats the track that went down a storm in the mid-eighties (though not played all that much on the Radio now). Also AON remixed Tom Jones' 'Kiss' a few years later. A Medley of AON hits can be heard today being used these days on BBC 1's 'The Other Half' using 'Kiss'/'Close (to the edit)'/and that other one with Duane Eddy - that guitar-twanging one. Though I'm not an AON connoisseur, I know that this will be on at least one of their albums. The only version I have is 'Closing' which is a rare version of 'Close (to the edit)' used as a 'promo' on IQ6. Hope thats of help, John M. -- // Northamptonshire, ENGLAND. * \\ \\ Please visit my web pages at: (from 15/8/99) // // http://www.johnmccormick.cwc.net * \\ \\ and also still available at: (now) // // http://members.tripod.com/~jmccormick * \\ \\ - * - * // # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (ztt) Propaganda / ACT: PANDEMONIUM Date: 12 Aug 1999 09:21:50 -0600 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 07:07:35AM +0200, propaganda.de wrote: > Does anyone know, if "PANDEMONIUM" was the working title for the album, as > for "A secret wish" it was "Devils advocates" or is this a MTV pandemonium > ?????? I think it was probably the working title. The single came out nine months before the album and things change quickly in ZTT-land. :-) -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com this message powered by level 42 - running in the family -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Markus Arnold Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise Metaforce bonus cd Date: 12 Aug 1999 20:41:31 +0200 Sorry to bring this subject up again. I ordered my Seduction of Claude Debussy CD at CDNow with a Bonus CD of Metaforce mixes. Yes, you've guessed it, it came without the Bonus CD. Could someone who did get the bonus CD let me know if the bonus CD was a separate item or came in a double CD pack with the Claude Debussy CD? I wrote to CDNOW a week ago, but haven't heard from them... Strangely enough I did get the custom CD, but of course only after writing to CDNOW demanding the key... Thanks in advance for any help on this matter. Markus For news on 808 State see: http://www.808state.com/news/news.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (ztt) Art of Noise Metaforce bonus cd Date: 12 Aug 1999 13:14:05 -0600 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 08:41:31PM +0200, Markus Arnold wrote: > Sorry to bring this subject up again. I ordered my Seduction of Claude > Debussy CD at CDNow with a Bonus CD of Metaforce mixes. Yes, you've guessed > it, it came without the Bonus CD. Could someone who did get the bonus CD > let me know if the bonus CD was a separate item or came in a double CD pack > with the Claude Debussy CD? It was packed in the same jewelbox with Seduction -- I think they just put the early pressings in slimline 2CD cases with "metaforce" as the second CD. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Boaz Halachmi" Subject: (ztt) The Image Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:58:40 +0200 Hello all, Haven't anyone noticed the new "Action" numbers on the AON Seduction realese? It is called "art of noise as the image of a group at the turn of the century:". Here are the "images" i have: Image 0003 : The seduction of art of noise ZTT epk VHS video (Duration: 12:34) Image 0022 : Masked A-side of "Dream On" ZTT113TP Image 0023 : Unmasked B-side of "Dream On" ZTT113TP Image 0024 : Cover of "Dream On" ZTT113TP Image 0031 : "Dream On" US 12" promo U8P-1420 The booklet of TSOCD states that the album includes images 0007 to 0023, but that's makes a problem with the UK "Dream On" A and B sides (wrong counting maybe?). The booklet also says the images are catalogued on the web site. Can't find it myself... Does anyone got another item with the 4-digit image number? I have the 12-trk promo CD - no image number there. Also no images on the "Metaforce" singles. Also wanted to note that the address sticker on the pack of the "Dream On" i got from ZTT (Thanks, Zang!) is a special one, saying "ZTT (DREAMING IN COLOUR?)". I kept the pack... :) Cheers, Boaz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake" Subject: RE: (ztt) Art of Noise Metaforce bonus cd Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:03:28 -0500 > Sorry to bring this subject up again. I ordered my Seduction of Claude > Debussy CD at CDNow with a Bonus CD of Metaforce mixes. Yes, you've guessed > it, it came without the Bonus CD. Could someone who did get the bonus CD > let me know if the bonus CD was a separate item or came in a double CD pack > with the Claude Debussy CD? > I wrote to CDNOW a week ago, but haven't heard from them... Funny you should mention this :) I ordered 'Seduction' a few weeks back because of the bonus disc. The CD came, but no bonus disc. So, I wrote CDnow and explained the situation to them. They were very kind and told me to keep the disc I got shipped mistakenly, and they would send me the correct release (with bonus disc) free of charge. A week later the replacement came -- no bonus disc. So, I wrote them again and explained the (now very complicated) situation. They were again very nice and told me to keep the two discs, and they would try it a third time. The disc came a few days ago -- no bonus disc. I know have three copies of 'Seduction' with no bonus disc :) I think I'm just going to give up :) -- Visit my SYNTHPOP page with over 2,700 examples of synthpop cover art! Synthpop Page: http://www.swcp.com/blakeh/synthpop.htm Email: blakeh@ix.netcom.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake" Subject: (ztt) Propaganda Article Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:09:18 -0500 I don't know if this has been posted to the list before, but I found it interesting... A friend sent it to me (he may even be on the list). If so -- we all thank you! [NOTE : this article is NOT available on the web] [plot synopsis] -> an article about propaganda, their start, and the single 'dr mabuse' german band propaganda plan to take over the world..from the inside, for a change. ian pye tries to unravel the truth from the rhetoric. tonny barratt provides photographic deceit 'i refuse to be put in a cupboard', propaganda's ralf dorper warns me authoritatively. 'always people want to put you in a cupboard but this is not so easy with propaganda - to identify us is not so easy, yes?' a little idiosyncratic maybe, but ralf's english is really remarkably fluent, shaming our national inability to speak any other language than our own. dressed almost exclusively in black he's sitting in zang tumb tuums cool blue offices explaining the intention behind the group chosen to follow the orgy of success afforded to frankie goes to hollywood. on his right is susanne freytag, who along with claudia brueken provides propaganda with the silky vocal textures fashioned to lure you into a harder world of fear and darkness. the group's debut single is 'dr mabuse' a record that discovers the missing link between abba and the german new wave. like the most powerful advertising it remains elusive. it's components, art, message, confection, sublimal codes and dramas, cannot be readily dissected depending and relating to each other in a web of choreographed illusion and deceit. on one level it's a great pop record, but look further into this box of tricks and you'll see something else. you may find yourself happily singing this song, which is funny really, becasue the heart of the concern is evil. of the fritz lang movie character 'dr mabuse', ralf says, 'i think mabuse was used by lang as a way of symbolising fascism. he also wanted to revive dr faust, a figure that was always there in the minds of the german people - the man who sold his soul to the devil. and we now give this mythic spectre new life' -------[end part 1]----------------------------- transcription : zero research : zero layout : generic Designs text : textDesignersRepublic concept : propaganda thanx : progadanda, jg, mm (c) : 1999 generic Designs -- Visit my SYNTHPOP page with over 2,700 examples of synthpop cover art! Synthpop Page: http://www.swcp.com/blakeh/synthpop.htm Email: blakeh@ix.netcom.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) Art of Noise Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:18:39 -0500 jordan.feinman@ps.ge.com wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone tell me some of Art of Noise's hits from the 80's? Do they have > any hits? I've never heard of them, but may be interested in picking up one > of their CD's if I can identify at least one song I've heard from them on > the radio. > > Thanks, > > Jordan Well, "Beat Box", "Close to the Edit" and "Moments In Love" were, all, managed to crack Billboard's Top 40. Their longevity, popularity and legend status belie their low chart positions. "Paranoimia" spent 2 months at #1 on Mtv's Top 20 and hit around #5 on Billboard. It was so popular here in Tulsa Oklahoma (not worth writing home about) that the DJs eventually broke their copies. They did the same thing with Weird Al's "Eat It" and Devo's "Satisfaction". "Peter Gunn" (that twangy guitar piece mentioned) reached somewhere around 30-35 on Billboard and 15 or so on Mtv. It also scored them a Grammy with Duane Eddy for best instrumental of 1986. Subsequent releases didn't do so well after that until 1988's entry, "Kiss", with Tom Jones. Nothing else ever hit it big on the pop charts (emphasis on the word pop). But, they have always managed to maintain good circulation in the clubs; and probably always will. This is not counting the myriad (master?)pieces that they've produced for other people, sometimes incognito. -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality" - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Propaganda.de@t-online.de (propaganda.de) Subject: (ztt) For Sale: Date: 13 Aug 1999 06:50:50 +0200 Hi all, anyone interested on the following items: 7"PD Art of Noise - Close (to the edit) PZTPS01 10$ 12" Art of Silence - West4 (AX12X1) 7$ MxCD Noisemaker - Moments (in love) (AON-Coverversion) (1997, Ger, Motor Music) 7$ 12" 808 State - 10x10 (Promo, Sam933, ZTT-Cover) 5$ CD Seal - Fly like an eagle 3:37 (Promo; Moderntracks; On the radio November 96) 12$ 12" Seal - I`m alive (Sasha & BT remix) (ZANG70T) 9$ 2x12" Novecento - Day and night (Morales and Rapino Brothers remixes; Limited edition DJ double pack; SAM1594; TOC) 12$ CD The Brain feat. Claudia Brucken - I`ll find a way (Gate remix) 22$ 2x12" FGTH - DMC mix COMPLETE FRANKIE (DMC135; DJ-Only; UK) 25$ 2x12" FGTH - Two tribes (SAm1320; Promo; Fluke and Intermission mixes) 14$ 10" FGTH - Two tribes (808 State mix; Blue vinyl) 25$ 12" FGTH - Warriors (Attack mix) (12ZTAK25; promo only, PC with wl12") 22$ 12" FGTH - Relax (Ollie J remix) (FGTH 1T; Germany) 4$ CD FGTH - BANG (Japan; WMC5-644) 25$ CD FGTH - WTTP (Japan; WPCR-16) 25$ MCD FGTH - Relax / WTTP (10 mixes; Japan; WMC5-695) 22$ Postage: 12": Germany 4$; Europe 7$; outside Europe air mail 14$ CD: Germany 2$; Europe 4$; outside Europe air mail 7$ bye Karl http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: (ztt) re: Art of Noise US Hits Date: 13 Aug 1999 23:22:36 +0300 Art of Noise only had three hits on the official Billboard pop charts. These are the correct peak positions. The US hits were: Peter Gunn #50 Paranoimia #34 Kiss #31 So...no US hits from their first album, and no top ten hits either. Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: (ztt) re: Art of Noise US Hits Date: 13 Aug 1999 15:39:45 -0500 Ah, but also according to Billboard, from the Pop Albums chart: LP Peak (Who's Afraid Of?) The Art Of Noise! #85 In Visible Silence #53 In-No-Sense? Nonsense! #134 The Best Of The Art Of Noise #83 FWIW: The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's" registered #1 on this chart for 15 weeks and had NO singles. (Singles were released from this album some 10 years thereafter.) But does anybody on this list purchase or enjoy any Art of Noise material (or other related material, for that matter) based in any way on their chart position? -Dave B > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Roger > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 3:23 PM > To: ztt@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (ztt) re: Art of Noise US Hits > > > > Art of Noise only had three hits on the official Billboard > pop charts. These > are the correct peak positions. > > The US hits were: > Peter Gunn #50 > Paranoimia #34 > Kiss #31 > > So...no US hits from their first album, and no top ten hits either. > > Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex_Veronac@tvo.org (Alex Veronac) Subject: (ztt) AoN playing CMJ(in NYC) Date: 14 Aug 1999 20:10:41 -0400 I read that AoN will be playing at the annual CMJ Music Conference(sept.15-18,99) details at www.cmj-music.com/Marathon99 Tricky & Lamb are also playing - guess they need the exposure as well alex v. n.p. - not listening to anything # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McCormick" Subject: (ztt) Zang essays Date: 16 Aug 1999 22:28:12 +0100 Dear ztters, If you're new to the ZTT label and would like to learn more, or perhaps you just would like to read my views on the label then please visit http://www.johnmccormick.cwc.net and follow the links from the 'Home' page. All is explained on these pages (3 pages of text). The text is an adaptation of a series of essays I did at Uni in the early half of last year. Happy reading, John M. -- // Northamptonshire, ENGLAND. * \\ \\ Please visit my web pages at: (from 15/8/99) // // http://www.johnmccormick.cwc.net * \\ \\ and also still available at: (now) // // http://members.tripod.com/~jmccormick * \\ \\ - * - * // # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Coen van der Geest Subject: (ztt) Custom CD question Date: 18 Aug 1999 13:05:52 +0200 Hi there, as the rest of this list, I also got the Custom CD ("An extra pulse of beauty"). I must say it looks perfect and the sound is great (Beatbox rulez). I noticed on my CD and back the same number, number 544. Do others have the same or an other number? Grtz Coen PS: the ZTT logo at the spine of the CD of The Seduction Of... is not right, the last T is split and there's half a Z in the place of the other half. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Coen van der Geest Subject: (ztt) Where is Trev located nowadays? Date: 18 Aug 1999 16:38:34 +0200 Hi there, considering the release of the last Art Of Noise, I was wondering where ZTT and Trevor are located nowadays. ZTT seems very much pointed to the USA market (US radio interviews, concerts, promotion) while us European people (I don't speak for all of us, though) have to order it in the USA. Of course it has much to do with the contract they have with Universal, but will there be a change in favour of us? Grtz Coen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) AoN vs. Lucas vs. Kubrick vs. Groening Date: 20 Aug 1999 00:35:47 -0500 My apologies for responding to everything so late in the discussions lately. I haven't had occasion to check my e-mail in around a week. I haven't checked e-mail regularly in even longer. Plus, each time I have managed to tear time away for this it's very late at night and my coherency begins to drift, greatly. > The skill is not in doubt. The production values are still > high. The aim, > the goal, the purpose....... why is this seduction > considered an Art of > Noise? > Because they say it is. After all, a toaster is a toaster. And, it's their party; so they'll cry if they want to. Besides, this has been an intended project for AON (really Trevor) since ZTT's overall masterwork "The Raiding of the Twentieth Century" was planned. Too bad they never pulled that one off. I felt this way about "Below the Waste". I used to say they needed to rename themselves the Art of Music. I can only assume that they actually got TSoCD to sound the way they wanted it to. If not, they only have themselves to blame. Nothing sucks worse than to work your ass of on a song, or what have you, only to have it never sound the way you want it to. I'm not surprised by how light weight TSoCD sounds. Drum 'n Bass aside, this is more of how the remaining members of the band tend to think of music. Look at some of the most recent works involving Trevor or Anne at the helm. "Tubular Bells 2"[1992; Trevor Horn & Mike Oldfield producing]: nice and airy; my favorite of the three incarnations of that concept. But, incredibly homogeneous. Not a truly rousing bone in the whole album. "Seal"(the second) [1994; Trevor producing]: Trevor's new production style is really taking form by now. It is the logical progression from "TB2". Very pretty, but again, nothing to pound you into rubble. And an afterthought contribution for that Batman flick a year or two later. "Buster" movie soundtrack [199?; musical score composed and arranged by Anne Dudley]: the first major film she landed. I'm proud of her for that. She finally put her classical training to a more predictable work. Not a hint of AON for miles around. It was as if she were deliberately hiding that fact. Then there was "Groovy Kind of Love" she did for Phil Collins. But, he got the Grammy for it. At least he credited and thanked her as part of his acceptance speech. Incidentally, that was the last time I ever saw JJ and Anne together. "Songs From the Victorious City" [1990 produced/composed/arranged by Anne and Jaz Coleman]: nice idea, but, I'm afraid Led Zeppelin (among others) kind of beat them to the basic idea. Somewhat lively in spots, however, it ultimately comes off as the soundtrack to a James Bond film. Actually, come to think of it, I would really like to hear her handle a Bond movie. With or without a little help from Trevor, I think it would be great. "The Crying Game" [film score composed & produced by Anne Dudley]: Roughly, the same situation as the previous soundtrack. Nice work, but... It was just like if John Lennon, overnight, became a Fundamentalist Conservative and demanded that Yoko stay in the kitchen or something. "The Full Monty" [same thing. composed/produced by Anne]: Really hitting the big time now. She nailed an Academy Award for the soundtrack. I forgot if it was for "Best musical score for a foreign film" or just plain "best musical score". It was one of them; and she looked great. Sorry for the rant. But, considering this, the subject matter for TSoCD and what some of those unearthed AON tracks sounded like prior to being stripped down to the versions we know and love, is it really any surprise that the new work sounds the way it does? -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality" - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Subject: (ztt) ANNE PIGALLE - SOUVENIR D'UN PARIS 12" Date: 22 Aug 1999 02:31:07 +0200 Hi ! My name is Benoît, I live in Paris & I'm new 2 the list. I'm a big fan of Eurythmics, Rita Mitsouko (http://perso.cybercable.fr/systemed/), Prince, Dead Or Alive, Dead Can Dance, Craig Armstrong, Cocteau Twins, Sparks, EBTG, Yazoo, db, Associates, Underworld (ZTT quality !!!), and lots of other bands. On ZTT, I really love ACT, Propaganda, Anne Pigalle. ACT I've got the CHANCE 12". I heard there might exist a CD single ? so ...Truth or myth ??? ANNE PIGALLE I've got the SOUVENIR D'UN PARIS 12". It's a french pressing from 1985. ZTT / Island 884 315-1 I once saw a 7", but don't own it. Face A SOUVENIR D'UN PARIS (extended version ?) (mix aguicheur) 7'20 Face B SOUVENIR D'UN PARIS (7" version ?) (mix songeur) 3'55 LIKE WE DO 3'26 I think this single is mega rare, Bcause it's not even mentioned in the official ZTT discography !!! It seems it was only issued in France (perhaps also in Japan ?). I heard it first at the DOK nightclub in Amsterdam, back in 1986. Then I search for the 12" for... 10 years !!! YES ! I found it in 1995 !!! So I think it's even more obscure than the ACT Chance's 12', which I bought through Adrian's years ago for £ 45. But it's not really sought after, the main reason being few people know it exist, and ANNE PIGALLE is not as much collected as artists like FGTH or PROPAGANDA. If it was, it would easily reach the £ 100 - £ 150 level, I think, Bcause, one just can't find it !!! It was a total flop in France, so there was very few copies issued. U can imagine, I spent 10 years going to EVERY record convention in France, went 2 "marché aux puces", the french "camden market" every week-end, put ads in Record Collector and so on, and found nothing in 10 years time !!! so, I do think it's absolutely mega-rare ! Have U got an opinion on that ? I just send a scan 2 Guy B Phipps, so he can add it in his fabulous ZTT discography Hope 2 hear your feelings about the rarity of this record Benoît # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) (AON) Art of Silence MP3's Date: 21 Aug 1999 21:52:30 PDT Hello everyone !!!! Due to the fact that J.J. Jeczalik has retired from the music business and "artofsilence.co.uk" has been out-of-print for a while, I will be making MP3's tonight of the whole album plus the Mantra mix of "Teach Me (this is the short mix from Sasha and Digweed's "Northern Exposure Westcoast Edition" CD)". PLEASE BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT I IN NO WAY AM TRYING TO DO HARM TO J.J. JECZALIK OR HIS COPYRIGHTS BY MAKING THESE SONGS AVAILABLE FOR FREE. I HAVE NOTHING BUT THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR J.J. AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT HE HAS MADE TO THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. However, this album is EXTREMELY HARD TO FIND, if you can even find it at all. It took two years of searching to find my copy ! But there is one catch : I DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT SETTING UP AN FTP SITE ! If anyone would like to give me a tutorial I would really appreciate it. Otherwise, I will have to send the tracks through ICQ (for those of you on the list that have it). I am also considering making MP3's of the Custom CD tracks, but I will only do that for MP3's of rare mixes and singles that I don't have (ex: Close to The Edit (Shep Pettibone's Radio Re-Edit) ; etc.) Please contact me if interested, AND KEEP THIS TO YOURSELF ! The last thing I need is for the people at ZTT and J.J. himself to bludgeon me to death becuase I ripped all of these songs. LOL ;-) Hormonally Yours (LOL), NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) (AON) Art of Silence MP3's Update Date: 22 Aug 1999 18:30:06 PDT Okay, now I have finished ripping all of the "artofslience.co.uk" CD as well as the "Teach Me" remix from Sasha and Digweed's "Nothern Exposure 2 (Westcoast Edition)" CD. Still for those of you who are interested, please mail or ICQ me (#42651237). If anyone has MP3 trades or offers for the AON Custom CD tracks, please send those as well; for I will make MP3's of those songs if the demand is high enough. Yours truly, NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roy DeRousse Subject: Re: (ztt) Rare Propaganda MP3's Date: 22 Aug 1999 21:26:39 -0500 Thank you, Shane!! A Secret Wish is one of my favorite albums from the '80s. Yes is one of my favorite bands. Steve Howe is listed as playing on the album. I sure ccouldn't hear him! ... until tonight. He is quite prominent on the Polish mix of P-Machinery! What a treat! I like both versions equally, but it sure is nice to hear him playing with Propaganda at last. The other tracks on your site are great too. Thanks again! FlatCracker Software wrote: > I decided to place some rare Propaganda MP3 files on a web page for you to > download. > > Back in 1988 I bought two 3 Inch Propaganda CD singles from Japan at my > local CD Shop for $8.00 a piece. I noticed over the years that people > subscribing to this newsletter have been looking for these discs. (Dr. > Mabuse and P-Machinery) -- Have fun! Roy DeRousse (relayer@iname.com) St. Louis, Missouri, USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: (ztt) Give Us your top ten albums of the '80s! Date: 23 Aug 1999 22:06:01 -0400 Hi, > Well, Lexicon Magazine is succumbing to that pre-Millennium tension (to coin a > phrase) and will have a "Top Ten Albums" of the '80s in the next issue, > but with a twist. Instead of a boring top ten chosen by committee, we > will feature reader's top tens. > So--- > Send in your top ten albums of the '80s! No real rules, try to keep it > for albums between 1978 and 1990 if you can. If you want to include best > of's that's okay (but I am sure you can come up with better than that!) > And feel free to explain, in a sentence for each album, why you think > each album deserves top ten status. You can rank them or just do them in > no particular order. > Please send me your lists by Sept 30 at the very latest. We will publish > as many as we can, so get crackin! > > Thanks > -Dave Richards > Managing Editor > Lexicon Magazine > PO Box 1734 > Wheaton, MD 20915 http://users.erols.com/guerue/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) Where is Trev located nowadays? Date: 24 Aug 1999 00:56:07 -0500 Coen van der Geest wrote: > Hi there, > > considering the release of the last Art Of Noise, I was wondering where > ZTT and Trevor are located nowadays. ZTT seems very much pointed to the > USA market (US radio interviews, concerts, promotion) while us European > people (I don't speak for all of us, though) have to order it in the > USA. Of course it has much to do with the contract they have with > Universal, but will there be a change in favour of us? > > Grtz > Coen I would imagine that this US bias that has been occurring lately is partly due to Trev's fascination with rap and various pop culture. I include pop culture as nearly all of his major work seems to be/or is commenting on it. All the way back to the Buggles he's had an objective, 3rd person interest. Living in the Plastic Age is a phrase coined from an old '20s Clara Bow "trash pop" movie. The liner notes to one of the original ZTT AON album variations commented when they try to create something mainstream, it always becomes something unique. If I could find the actual remark I would quote it. Its on a vinyl copy in storage. Sadly, pop culture, an American invention, is what governs most people's concept of social structure. Blah blah blah. Nyah nyah nyah. Etc etc etc. To my knowledge, ZTT and AON still reside in London. I don't even think they have their second office in New York city. However, Sarm West studio is in Los Angeles. I have no idea why Trevor thinks this is a good idea. Oh well. -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time; it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality." -The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henrik Lundstrom" Subject: Re: (ztt) Where is Trev located nowadays? Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:03:47 +0100 t even think > they have their second office in New York city. However, Sarm West studio > is in Los Angeles. I have no idea why Trevor thinks this is a good idea. Oh > well. Sarm West is, and has always been, located in London. Sarm West Coast is the name of the LA studio (or at least it was a year ago). henrik henrik l. --- henrik@billieraymartin.com http://www.billieraymartin.com --- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: (ztt) FS: 808 State remix, Art of noise stuff Date: 24 Aug 1999 10:18:25 -0700 Hi! I have the following items for sale on Ebay, please email me with any questions--thanks for looking! Check out my other synthpop/electronic auctions on EBay, userid: mazbass http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150388435 ZANCE-ZTT UK LP (ART OF NOISE/FGTH/PROPAGANDA/WILLIAM ORBIT) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=152005255 ICEHOUSE/808 STATE/Bill Laswell-2CD REMIXES! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=148481620 ART OF NOISE: Debussy LITHOGRAM (SIGNED) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) Where is Trev located nowadays? Date: 24 Aug 1999 22:57:36 -0500 Joerg Fitzner wrote: > I guess if I was a multi millionaire I'd like to live in sunny California > as well. > Apart from that, I'd dare to say the center of pop-MUSIC is London, and not > Los Angeles. > Earlier, I wrote (in error to the world): > > [...] However, Sarm West studio is in Los Angeles. > Joerg was quick to the rescue: > No, it's in London (West11). Sarm West Coast might well be in LA. > BTW, I'd say wherever Sarm West is located, that's by definition the > center of pop-music! ;-) All this time, I never noticed the addition of "Coast" to the name. That is the one I was thinking of. And it is in L.A., though, I can't figure why. I would have put it in New York. It's a guaranteed change of scenery, their way. Really, I would be very reluctant to say that Sarm West is the center of pop music. Pop music -like pop culture- is, actually, behind the pace of innovation, fashion, style, and originality. Of course, I have limited respect for pop anything. Consider it this way: nothing can become pop until it is pioneered by someone else. Then, it's badly mimicked and, consequently, run into the ground. Various examples could be brought up apart from ZTT recordings; but, that is an easy way to trip off a flame war. In regards to the discussion, I would say wherever Sarm is located, that's the center of pioneering music. Or the center of the universe. If I were a multi-millionaire, I would live in either Portland, Oregon; New York, NY; or London, England. I, generally, don't like L.A.; as if you couldn't guess that one. -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time; it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality." -The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt West Subject: (ztt) new to list - can you help me find this promo album?... Date: 26 Aug 1999 16:46:38 -0700 I'm trying to find the following on either mp3, cd, cdr, vinyl, or cass...any help will be appreciated. Please email me privately. Various: License to Thrill Soundtrack [1989] promotional compilation album CS: 1989 US (ZTT Records; KT 1) 7:51 Nasty Rox Inc.: Escape From New York 5:06 Nasty Rox Inc.: 9th Wonder 8:38 Nasty Rox Inc.: 10th Wonder 6:02 Nasty Rox Inc.: Wooba Wubbaa II 6:07 Hoodlum Priest: Crime Inc. 5:38 MC Tunes vs. 808 State: Dance Yourself to Death (exclusive mix) 4:46 Nasty Rox Inc.: Wooba Wubba I (plake) 5:01 Nasty Rox Inc.: Blow 5:57 808 State: Pacific [Soundtrack to the Greg Stump ski film] thanks for your time, matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" Subject: (ztt) napster Date: 26 Aug 1999 19:12:10 -0500 Anyone good or bad experiences with Napster? (Apart from being slow (sometimes)) ::> Any of you guyz have tried Napster as yet ? ::> ::> Http://www.napster.com ::> ::> Check it out if you havent.. Its pretty good for all those ::people lookin for mp3z # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: (ztt) New Paul Rutherford Fan PAge Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:58:50 -0400 Hi, I have just started a new and very humble fan page for Paul Rutherford. It needs lots of help, but mainly in the discography section. Any contributions to the discography will be fully credited. Thanks -Dave Page is at: http://users.erols.com/guerue/ruthfront.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dveith@jmcp.com (Doug Veith) Subject: (ztt) the buggles - promo 45 for sale/trade Date: 30 Aug 1999 09:37:16 -0500 hi, i've got a Buggles promo 45 of "Video Killed The Radio Star" from 1979 - flip side is the song in mono. Cat: IS 49114. if anybody would like to make a propaganda/act/claudia related trade for this, i'd be willing to do it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) Where is Trev located nowadays? Date: 31 Aug 1999 19:16:04 +0200 James wrote: > Really, I would be very reluctant to say that Sarm West is the center > of pop music. Pop music -like pop culture- is, actually, behind the pace of > innovation, fashion, style, and originality. Of course, I have limited > respect for pop anything. Consider it this way: nothing can become pop until > it is pioneered by someone else. Then, it's badly mimicked and, consequently, > run into the ground. Various examples could be brought up apart from ZTT > recordings; but, that is an easy way to trip off a flame war. In regards to > the discussion, I would say wherever Sarm is located, that's the center of > pioneering music. Or the center of the universe. No, I really insist: to me SW is the center of pop music and not the center of pioneering music (not anymore). It's exactly like you say: something can only become pop, after the innovation has become a trend. (However not necessarily exploited by somone _else_, like ZTT have prooved with FGTH.) But in fact, to my ears, what comes out of SW nowadays isn't that much innovative. (TSOCD might be an exception, as far as it's recorded there at all - which brings us back to the question from the subject line...) I got the impression that people who are now booking Sarm are doing so because they want to make a record which is technically perfect and which is likely to become popular - and not to experiment with the technical gear. (That's due to the fact that SW itself is popular within the business...) > If I were a multi-millionaire, I would live in either Portland, Oregon; > New York, NY; or London, England. I, generally, don't like L.A.; as if you > couldn't guess that one. Love NY and London! Can't tell for Portland yet ;-) Best Greetings Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) Where is Trev located nowadays? Date: 31 Aug 1999 23:34:39 -0500 Joerg Fitzner wrote: > > No, I really insist: to me SW is the center of pop music and not > the center of pioneering music (not anymore). > > It's exactly like you say: something can only become pop, after the innovation > has become a trend. (However not necessarily exploited by somone _else_, > like ZTT have prooved with FGTH.) > But in fact, to my ears, what comes out of SW nowadays isn't that much > innovative. (TSOCD might be an exception, as far as it's recorded there > at all - which brings us back to the question from the subject line...) > I got the impression that people who are now booking Sarm are doing so > because they want to make a record which is technically perfect and which > is likely to become popular - and not to experiment with the technical gear. > (That's due to the fact that SW itself is popular within the business...) > Point taken... And an excellent one at that. Especially with AON making use of the fad style of drum 'n bass. I think the problem may have something to do with the professional company Trevor keeps. Consider the work that was pumped out when the whole five man crew of The Art Of Noise was around. Then consider the work after Anne, JJ, Gary and Paul took a hike. I still like the work that occurred after their departure. But, it seemed to be lacking some dynamic, edgy, punchy quality. Part of that would, also, be due to the fact that JJ took all the Fairlight CMIs with him. I think he, ultimately, wound up with 2. So, Trevor resorted to using a Synclavier (ala Paul Hardcastle and Harold Faltermeyer) as a main sampling super station, instead of getting a new Fairlight. And what about the replacement staff he wound up hiring? It almost seems like the studio crew he hired was less adventurous or experimental. That may just be some strange sense of loyalty to the remaining AON staff of the time. In which case that's just something I'll have to work out. But, look at the kind of sounds used for tracks like "Warriors of the Wasteland". It's just not as risky. It worked well enough, though. I wonder if the style and very daring of the musicians he is working with is that inspiring or influential to his work. If that is the case, then, I want to see JJ or Gary (better if both) come back into the game. Or bring in Boris Blank of Yello if the other options fail. All of this having been said, I hope to see a greater outflow of original musical style on their next album. As much as I enjoy "Seduction...", I feel that it might have been better served being presented by Anne Dudley & Trevor Horn; not so much the Art of Noise. I feel it rather inappropriate that a group, as influential and important as they, should ever need to adopt musical styles that were spawned by themselves and other pioneers. And hopefully they won't fixate on all this millennial bullshit, either. It makes me tired. A theme project that would be deserving of the Art of Noise (I think) would be collaborating with various bands that credit them as their inspiration for being. That could, really, only work with all five original members present, however. Think of it: AON & DJ Shadow/UNKLE; AON & LFO; AON & Prodigy; AON & Crystal Method and so on! That's where the true seduction is occurring right now. People that are inspired to create their own music because The Art Of Noise performed and put it's own amusement on tape for the rest of the world. No matter what happens I, still, must say thank you to them. > > Love NY and London! Can't tell for Portland yet ;-) I forgot to add New Orleans, Louisiana. But only from autumn thru spring. Summertime at 6 feet below sea level and adjacent to the Mississippi River and the Gulf of Mexico? No thanks. -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time; it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality." -The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt