From: "Raymond A. Koh" Subject: Re: trevor horn on grammy awards! Date: 01 Mar 1996 14:38:19 +0000 If you want to see what Trev looks like, he's on the front cover of Buggles Age of Plastic LP. He hasn't changed much. Saw him in London quite a few months ago. He is balding with really thick glasses which make his eyes look ten times bigger than they really are. His wife looks very business like. Blond hair, power dresses (well, she had one on when I spotted them together). P.S. Don't die. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. P. Wats" Subject: heavenly ZTT Date: 01 Mar 1996 10:55:12 -0700 (MST) Does anyone have 'birth' data of ZTT people and related bands? I am particularly interested in Trevor, Anne Dudley, J.J. (AoN), Cluadia Bruecken, Paul Morly (Propaganda), Martin Fry of ABC and PSB. As far as the people i ask, time, place and date are rather important, but this can also be used for important events in one's (a band's) development. Thanks in advance what you can tell me, Bryan 'all that we see or seem, is but a dream, within a dream' -- E.A. Poe/Propaganda ============================================================================== Bryan P. Wats E-mail: s9319190@student.utwente.nl Student Technische Bedrijfskunde, Informatiekunde or: wats@eng.umd.edu Twente Univ. of Technology, Enschede - the Netherlands Tel.: +31 53 4895116 ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: Act, Seal, et. al Date: 01 Mar 1996 19:52:25 +0000 Hello > 1) Someone told me that the reason why the ACT:'Chance/Winner '88' 12"s > and 7"s where not produced in volume was because of a marketing problem > with samples taken from ABBA. Is there any truth in this? Which ABBA > song? I don't know if that's the reason for crippling the release, but there's really an ABBA sample on it. There are short sped-up fragments of "Take A Chance On Me" thrown in on the 12" version of Chance (called '12/1 Chance!'). Bye Joerg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bortz@postoffice.ptd.net (J Bortz) Subject: Nasty Rox Inc. Date: 01 Mar 1996 20:52:20 -0500 (EST) I was recently listening to my Nasty Rox "Cash" album and I noticed something on the first two tracks 9th Wonder and 10th Wonder. Nasty Rox had sampled the rythm in these two songs from the early hip hpo rap band "The Sugar Hill Gand". Its kind of funny that the Sugar Hill Gang named their song "8th Wonder". I've heard that in order to copy someone's music, their must be a 7 year wait. I guess its the law. The lyrics are different between the two bands, but the rhythm and beat are the same! Mind you that Nasty Rox's versions are the absolute BEST!!! They have the real talent! Cheers, Josh ______ | ___ `\ Josh Bortz aka (bortz@ptd.net) =20 | | | | =20 | | M | | - Zang Tumb Tuum - | `---` / ______________________________________ | |~~~~` | | |_| A C | "the dark religions are departed | | and sweet Science reigns" | H I N | | | - Claudia Br=81cken | E R Y |______________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bortz@postoffice.ptd.net (J Bortz) Subject: ACT "Chance" Date: 06 Mar 1996 19:57:44 -0500 (EST) Does anyone know of a Chance cd5? I was told that there was a Chance cd released along with the 12" and the 7". Its not on the ZTT discog. The ID no. is...(BETCD 1). If so, I guess this is a real treasure! Please give any info! Thanks. Cheers, Josh ______ | ___ `\ Josh Bortz aka (bortz@ptd.net) =20 | | | | =20 | | M | | - Zang Tumb Tuum - | `---` / ______________________________________ | |~~~~` | | |_| A C | "the dark religions are departed | | and sweet Science reigns" | H I N | | | - Claudia Br=81cken | E R Y |______________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henrik Lundstroem" <94K068@chestud.chalmers.se> Subject: Re: ACT "Chance" Date: 07 Mar 1996 09:10:15 GMT +0100 > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:57:44 -0500 (EST) > To: ztt@xmission.com > From: bortz@postoffice.ptd.net (J Bortz) > Subject: ACT "Chance" > Does anyone know of a Chance cd5? I was told that there was a Chance cd > released along with the 12" and the 7". Its not on the ZTT discog. The ID > no. is...(BETCD 1). If so, I guess this is a real treasure! Please give > any info! Thanks. > > I'm not sure, but I think Esprit Mailorder listed a Chance CD5 in an ad a couple of years ago. Henrik. Henrik Lundstroem Chemistry student at Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden Stalivari shout "HEUREKA!!" as the signal for invention par excellence "Mrs Peel, we're needed!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Garrick McFarlane Subject: ACT "Chance" Date: 08 Mar 1996 11:11:00 GMT Josh I think you're out of luck here, though I'd be very interested to hear = otherwise. I picked up the 12" and 7" when they'd just finished printing the sleeves -- = before they hit the copyright problems/whatever. As I also own the artwork = for the Chance sleeves -- and none of it appears to be for a CD sleeve -- I = would be surprised if there was a CD single. Regards Garrick Begin forwarded message: Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:02:20 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: bortz@postoffice.ptd.net Resent-From: ztt@xmission.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48 X-Loop: ztt@xmission.com Resent-Sender: ztt-request@xmission.com Does anyone know of a Chance cd5? I was told that there was a Chance cd released along with the 12" and the 7". Its not on the ZTT discog. The ID no. is...(BETCD 1). If so, I guess this is a real treasure! Please give any info! Thanks. Cheers, Josh ______ | ___ `\ Josh Bortz aka (bortz@ptd.net) =20 | | | | =20 | | M | | - Zang Tumb Tuum - | `---` / ______________________________________ | |~~~~` | | |_| A C | "the dark religions are departed | | and sweet Science reigns" | H I N | | | - Claudia Br?cken | E R Y |______________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Davies" Subject: Steve Lipson Date: 08 Mar 1996 05:06:43 -0800 If anyone needs proof that Steve Lipson has "come of age" then check out the track "Don't let it bring you down" on the Annie Lennox "Medusa" CD. It is beautifully arranged. Worthy of TCH, without a doubt. Geoff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Raymond A. Koh" Subject: Sexus Date: 08 Mar 1996 14:04:24 +0000 I bought "The Official End Of It All". Very catchy, but the production sounds very cheap, like the tacky keyboard brass used. Also the rhythm track is slightly repetitive. To see how it should be done, I think that everybody should get hold of the new CD "Fantastic Star" by Marc Almond which contains quite a few examples of what I think that Sexus were trying to achieve. ********************************************************************** May the spermatozoa of luck fertilize your egg of good fortune. ********************************************************************** Love n hugs, Raymond A. "Sy" Koh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bortz@postoffice.ptd.net (J Bortz) Subject: 808 State Date: 09 Mar 1996 00:02:08 -0500 (EST) I just saw that CD Europe's ZTT list shows 808's new releases that are due out in late spring and early summer. The name of the single is "Joyrider" and the album is called"D'artangnon"! Does anyone know anything about this or any other info? What happened to Pump? Cheers, Josh ______ | ___ `\ Josh Bortz aka (bortz@ptd.net) =20 | | | | =20 | | M | | - Zang Tumb Tuum - | `---` / ______________________________________ | |~~~~` | | |_| A C | "the dark religions are departed | | and sweet Science reigns" | H I N | | | - Claudia Br=81cken | E R Y |______________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Nasty Rox Inc. Date: 11 Mar 1996 19:28:58 +0000 Hi! On Mar 1, 8:52pm, J Bortz wrote: > I was recently listening to my Nasty Rox "Cash" album [...] > [... 8th, 9th, 10th Wonder...] > Mind you that Nasty Rox's versions are the absolute BEST!!! > They have the real talent! I agree, they belong to ZTT's very best post-action-series acts. Once again, I don't understand why they disappeared without a trace... Since I also like their album very much, and since I only have it on vinyl and have never seen it on CD, I begin to ask myself, if there's really a CD-pressing of it. I know, the LP sleeve also lists a CD with corresponding ordering number, but I've never heard of somebody having actually seen this one. Does someone of you have this alleged CD? Greetings Joerg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Don't Cry for Remixes Date: 12 Mar 1996 19:31:10 +0100 Hello Futuristicos! I've got a new CD-Maxi-Single from USA for Seal's "Don't Cry" today. Don't ask me why it's me (from Germany) who's presenting this first... Here's the discography style info: CD5: 1996 US (ZTT/Warner: 9 43667-2) [eco-pak] 4:22 Don't Cry (Soulpower Remix) 6:16 Don't Cry (Mo' Kutz R&B Remix Extended) 6:18 Don't Cry (Album Version) 4:22 Don't Cry (Soulpower Remix Instrumental) 4:30 Don't Cry (Radio Edit) 5:41 Fast Changes (Album Version) I only had a very short listening to it, but I'd say the mix-names give a good impression of what to expect. Take care Joerg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Brown Subject: JJ Jeczalik activity Date: 12 Mar 1996 11:42:46 -0800 (PST) ...ran across this in a web search: http://www.artofsilence.co.uk/ Appears to be nothing but the title page right now, but looks promising. At http://www.feedback.com/808/feedback/audio.html is this blurb: JJ Jeczalik is now signed to Permanent as The Art Of Silence, the same name used for his remix work with cohort Bob Kraushaar. A new LP is due for release early in '96 and JJ has recently hit the club circuit with his track "West Four" (to great critical acclaim!). So if I go down to the import shop and order "West Four" by The Art Of Silence, on Permanent Records, will I be asking for the right thing? Discographical info, anyone? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Romlov" Subject: Who's afraid of a Greek Art of Noise Date: 14 Mar 1996 04:08:02 +0100 Today I picked up a LP copy of "Who's afraid...." Apparently it's a greek version with an A.J. Corbijn photo of a statue on the front against a marble b/w background. It's printed in greece and distributed by Virgin/Greece. The track listing is somewhat different to normal and goes; A Time For Fear ( Who's Afraid ) Beat Box ( Diversion one ) Memento (sic) How To Kill Realisation Who's afraid ( Of The Art Of Noise ) Moments in Love Snapshot Close ( To The Edit ) However when I play it all songs come in the normal order e.g. as ZTTIQ2 is listed in the discog. The inside label also states the correct info. The matrixnumber says ZTTIQ2 A/B 10-1. Anyone got a clue to whether there actually was a LP produced with the above track listing ?? Cheers, Thomas. __________Thomas Romlov____________ Ph/Fax: +46-40-122004 thomas@pi.se ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Davies" Subject: I was thinking... Date: 13 Mar 1996 20:08:54 -0800 As we are all obvious ZTT fans, we should try to help each other to locate certain ZTT items. For instance, I am currently in Japan and I have come across some new copies of the (old) Shades of Rhythm EP and the Solid State "Rise" single. I have no idea if anyone is after these. I am currently looking for the ACT single "I can't Escape..". These are just examples. I think people should shout if they see anything useful second hand (or new). Back in San Francisco I frequently see copies of ACT CD for $5. Any suggestions? Geoff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanluyke@innet.be (Van Luyken Consultants Belgium) Subject: Value of Entertainment on Laser Disc Date: 14 Mar 1996 12:26:01 +0100 (MET) Hello, I know there is a "wantslist" for this kind of question but I was wondering if someone in this ML has (or have ssen) a copy of ZTT gig "A Value Of Entertainment" on Laser Disc. Be aware that I am ready to pay $ 100.00 to buy a copy. Thank you for your feedback Emmanuel Emmanuel Goedseels vanluyke@innet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Brown Subject: (repost) recent JJ activity Date: 14 Mar 1996 12:54:20 -0800 (PST) [somehow this got into the archives but was not distributed to the entire list, so I am reposting it. sorry if you've seen it before.] ...ran across this in a web search: http://www.artofsilence.co.uk/ Appears to be nothing but the title page right now, but looks promising. At http://www.feedback.com/808/feedback/audio.html is this blurb: 'JJ Jeczalik is now signed to Permanent as The Art Of Silence, the same name used for his remix work with cohort Bob Kraushaar. A new LP is due for release early in '96 and JJ has recently hit the club circuit with his track "West Four" (to great critical acclaim!).' So if I go down to the import shop and order "West Four" by The Art Of Silence, on Permanent Records, will I be asking for the right thing? Discographical info, anyone? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sorenl <31sl@but.auc.dk> Subject: Early Frankie influence Date: 15 Mar 1996 11:59:59 +0100 (MET) Hej Zurphers Spring is in the air! Some place ?... Atleast not in Denmark!? Well. This time I have something for the Frankie fans out their. I recently visited my hometown and I found a DMC record with a megamix titles Pop '84. His containes 'Relax' and 'Two Tribes' along 18 other hit of the year. I think it's interesting as it's the early Frankie stuff. The Frankie parts on the mix is very special as there're samples too. Also from 'One February Friday'! Detailes: LP: DMC 23/2 Pop '84. 20 hits megamix. Mixed by Alan Coulthard including - Relax (ca. 65 secs) - Two Tribes (ca. 70 secs) - One February Friday And finally. As Graham and co. have something going now, any info on 808 State movements are very welcome. Thanks. .-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-. .Elevative Music Appetence Is Lovely.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-. .____ ____ _ __ ____ _ ___ __ ___ _ __ ____ ____ _ ___ . .(___ | / | |/ |___| |/ | | ____) |/ (___ |___| |/ |. .____/ |_/_| | |___ | | _|_ |___| | ____/ |___ | |. .-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-. .-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._sorenl - Denmark - 31sl@but.auc.dk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: [repost] Recent JJ Jeczalik activity Date: 15 Mar 1996 15:27:38 -0700 (MST) [Note to readers -- if this is the FIRST TIME you've seen this message come over the ZTT list, please send me an email to let me know. -lazlo@swcp.com] ...ran across this in a web search: http://www.artofsilence.co.uk/ Appears to be nothing but the title page right now, but looks promising. At http://www.feedback.com/808/feedback/audio.html is this blurb: 'JJ Jeczalik is now signed to Permanent as The Art Of Silence, the same name used for his remix work with cohort Bob Kraushaar. A new LP is due for release early in '96 and JJ has recently hit the club circuit with his track "West Four" (to great critical acclaim!).' So if I go down to the import shop and order "West Four" by The Art Of Silence, on Permanent Records, will I be asking for the right thing? Discographical info, anyone? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ralph Sanchez, Jr." Subject: FGTH "The Tube" _Relax_ video Date: 16 Mar 1996 18:46:34 -0600 First off, let me just say 'hi' as this is my first post to this mailing list. Now, then... I just got back from a semi-annual record convention here in Austin, TX and I picked up a video there called "Video Aid" which is a collection of videos by various artists, for the band-aid cause. There is a FGTH _Relax_ video on this compilation that I'd never seen before. On the box, it's listed as "Frankie Goes to Hollywood, 'Relax' (live excerpt from The Tube) Video Director - Malcolm Gerrie/Production Company - Tyne Tees Television Productions Ltd./Publishing Credits - Perfect Songs"... The video itself seems to be a true live video (performing, not lip syncing), and the song sounds very... raw. A little bit funkier bass line, no electronics, but still quite good. There's also a middle segment that I'd never heard before: _In Heaven, Everything's Fine_. The band all seems to be the same, though they show so little of the guitarist that I'm not sure if it's Brian Nash, or not. There are also two women onstage with them who just dance around. Most of the video is focused on Holly, Paul, and these two women (all of whom are in pretty risque clothing - Holly with a gun). I'm unsure where this video fits in to the _Relax_ video chronology, as I've never seen this particular one mentioned in the ZTT mailing list archives, or Antal's web page of FGTH history. I have, however, read of one that is very similar to this, but it is mentioned that Holly and Paul climb on each other and Mark O'Toole wears a Zorro mask. In the one I bought, there's no climbing, and no Zorro. Anyone have any idea where this fits in to the whole mix? I'm not real sure how rare this video is, but since I haven't seen it mentioned on Lazlo's ZTT discography, or Antal's version of it, I'm assuming that it is, so I'll give as much info as I can. Director of FGTH's video - Malcolm Gerrie The Entire VHS (ntsc) cassete, "Video Aid" (C) 1985 is produced by sony and virgin, but has no apparent part number, nor any UPC code. If anyone is interested, I MIGHT be willing to trade it. The sound/picture quality is decent for a 10+ year old Video Cassette. The box is a little bit ragged, though not too bad. The box says that it's Hi-Fi, but my VCR doesn't seem to think that it is. Good to be here, -rs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jez Hall Subject: RE: FGTH "The Tube" _Relax_ video Date: 18 Mar 1996 03:10:35 -0700 (MST) The girls are the Leather Pets. Jez ---------- First off, let me just say 'hi' as this is my first post to this mailing list. Now, then... I just got back from a semi-annual record convention here in Austin, TX and I picked up a video there called "Video Aid" which is a collection of videos by various artists, for the band-aid cause. There is a FGTH _Relax_ video on this compilation that I'd never seen before. On the box, it's listed as "Frankie Goes to Hollywood, 'Relax' (live excerpt from The Tube) Video Director - Malcolm Gerrie/Production Company - Tyne Tees Television Productions Ltd./Publishing Credits - Perfect Songs"... The video itself seems to be a true live video (performing, not lip syncing), and the song sounds very... raw. A little bit funkier bass line, no electronics, but still quite good. There's also a middle segment that I'd never heard before: _In Heaven, Everything's Fine_. The band all seems to be the same, though they show so little of the guitarist that I'm not sure if it's Brian Nash, or not. There are also two women onstage with them who just dance around. Most of the video is focused on Holly, Paul, and these two women (all of whom are in pretty risque clothing - Holly with a gun). I'm unsure where this video fits in to the _Relax_ video chronology, as I've never seen this particular one mentioned in the ZTT mailing list archives, or Antal's web page of FGTH history. I have, however, read of one that is very similar to this, but it is mentioned that Holly and Paul climb on each other and Mark O'Toole wears a Zorro mask. In the one I bought, there's no climbing, and no Zorro. Anyone have any idea where this fits in to the whole mix? I'm not real sure how rare this video is, but since I haven't seen it mentioned on Lazlo's ZTT discography, or Antal's version of it, I'm assuming that it is, so I'll give as much info as I can. Director of FGTH's video - Malcolm Gerrie The Entire VHS (ntsc) cassete, "Video Aid" (C) 1985 is produced by sony and virgin, but has no apparent part number, nor any UPC code. If anyone is interested, I MIGHT be willing to trade it. The sound/picture quality is decent for a 10+ year old Video Cassette. The box is a little bit ragged, though not too bad. The box says that it's Hi-Fi, but my VCR doesn't seem to think that it is. Good to be here, -rs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bortz@postoffice.ptd.net (J Bortz) Subject: Propaganda? Date: 18 Mar 1996 20:59:08 -0500 (EST) First off, I just want to say that I'm a huge fan and collector of Propaganda and have listened to them for a couple of years but I have a question. I was watching a copy of the DR. Mabuse video and I noticed at the end where the credits are, it gave thanks to Claudia, Susanne, Ralph and Andreas. I never new there was anyone named Andreas in the band. The credits didn't mention Michael. This means there is 5 members to Propaganda. Andreas isn't mentioned in the album "A Secret Wish". Please let me know more about Andreas! I'm confused! All bet everyone thinks I'm stupid like Forrest Gump! Cheers, Josh ______ | ___ `\ Josh Bortz aka (bortz@ptd.net) =20 | | | | =20 | | M | | - Zang Tumb Tuum - | `---` / ______________________________________ | |~~~~` | | |_| A C | "the dark religions are departed | | and sweet Science reigns" | H I N | | | - Claudia Br=81cken | E R Y |______________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jez Hall Subject: No Subject Date: 20 Mar 1996 09:23:00 PST I have some info for this list - I'll send it if this gets thru. Jez. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jez Hall Subject: Holly On TV Date: 20 Mar 1996 09:49:00 PST Did anybody catch "H" on telly last week ??? He was on BBC 1's "Anne & Nick" at the Cork Street Gallery showing his collection of paintings that he is exhitibing at the moment. Jez. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jez Hall Subject: RE: FGTH "The Tube" _Relax_ video Date: 20 Mar 1996 17:20:00 PST The girls in the vid are, of course, the Leather Pets. I remember seeing this tape in the shops at the time, so it is a genuine release. I have a live tape of an early concert that features the extra lyrics, "In heaven everything is fine, you got yours and I got mine". Does anybody have any good quality recordings of "Junk Funk" ?? Jez. ---------- First off, let me just say 'hi' as this is my first post to this mailing list. Now, then... I just got back from a semi-annual record convention here in Austin, TX and I picked up a video there called "Video Aid" which is a collection of videos by various artists, for the band-aid cause. There is a FGTH _Relax_ video on this compilation that I'd never seen before. On the box, it's listed as "Frankie Goes to Hollywood, 'Relax' (live excerpt from The Tube) Video Director - Malcolm Gerrie/Production Company - Tyne Tees Television Productions Ltd./Publishing Credits - Perfect Songs"... The video itself seems to be a true live video (performing, not lip syncing), and the song sounds very... raw. A little bit funkier bass line, no electronics, but still quite good. There's also a middle segment that I'd never heard before: _In Heaven, Everything's Fine_. The band all seems to be the same, though they show so little of the guitarist that I'm not sure if it's Brian Nash, or not. There are also two women onstage with them who just dance around. Most of the video is focused on Holly, Paul, and these two women (all of whom are in pretty risque clothing - Holly with a gun). I'm unsure where this video fits in to the _Relax_ video chronology, as I've never seen this particular one mentioned in the ZTT mailing list archives, or Antal's web page of FGTH history. I have, however, read of one that is very similar to this, but it is mentioned that Holly and Paul climb on each other and Mark O'Toole wears a Zorro mask. In the one I bought, there's no climbing, and no Zorro. Anyone have any idea where this fits in to the whole mix? I'm not real sure how rare this video is, but since I haven't seen it mentioned on Lazlo's ZTT discography, or Antal's version of it, I'm assuming that it is, so I'll give as much info as I can. Director of FGTH's video - Malcolm Gerrie The Entire VHS (ntsc) cassete, "Video Aid" (C) 1985 is produced by sony and virgin, but has no apparent part number, nor any UPC code. If anyone is interested, I MIGHT be willing to trade it. The sound/picture quality is decent for a 10+ year old Video Cassette. The box is a little bit ragged, though not too bad. The box says that it's Hi-Fi, but my VCR doesn't seem to think that it is. Good to be here, -rs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jez Hall Subject: re: FGTH "The Tube" _Relax_ video Date: 21 Mar 1996 09:00:00 PST The girls in the vid are, of course, the Leather Pets. I remember seeing this tape in the shops at the time, so it is a genuine release. I have a live tape of an early concert that features the extra lyrics, "In heaven everything is fine, you got yours and I got mine". Does anybody have any good quality recordings of "Junk Funk" ?? Jez. ---------- First off, let me just say 'hi' as this is my first post to this mailing list. Now, then... I just got back from a semi-annual record convention here in Austin, TX and I picked up a video there called "Video Aid" which is a collection of videos by various artists, for the band-aid cause. There is a FGTH _Relax_ video on this compilation that I'd never seen before. On the box, it's listed as "Frankie Goes to Hollywood, 'Relax' (live excerpt from The Tube) Video Director - Malcolm Gerrie/Production Company - Tyne Tees Television Productions Ltd./Publishing Credits - Perfect Songs"... The video itself seems to be a true live video (performing, not lip syncing), and the song sounds very... raw. A little bit funkier bass line, no electronics, but still quite good. There's also a middle segment that I'd never heard before: _In Heaven, Everything's Fine_. The band all seems to be the same, though they show so little of the guitarist that I'm not sure if it's Brian Nash, or not. There are also two women onstage with them who just dance around. Most of the video is focused on Holly, Paul, and these two women (all of whom are in pretty risque clothing - Holly with a gun). I'm unsure where this video fits in to the _Relax_ video chronology, as I've never seen this particular one mentioned in the ZTT mailing list archives, or Antal's web page of FGTH history. I have, however, read of one that is very similar to this, but it is mentioned that Holly and Paul climb on each other and Mark O'Toole wears a Zorro mask. In the one I bought, there's no climbing, and no Zorro. Anyone have any idea where this fits in to the whole mix? I'm not real sure how rare this video is, but since I haven't seen it mentioned on Lazlo's ZTT discography, or Antal's version of it, I'm assuming that it is, so I'll give as much info as I can. Director of FGTH's video - Malcolm Gerrie The Entire VHS (ntsc) cassete, "Video Aid" (C) 1985 is produced by sony and virgin, but has no apparent part number, nor any UPC code. If anyone is interested, I MIGHT be willing to trade it. The sound/picture quality is decent for a 10+ year old Video Cassette. The box is a little bit ragged, though not too bad. The box says that it's Hi-Fi, but my VCR doesn't seem to think that it is. Good to be here, -rs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: FGTH "The Tube" _Relax_ video Date: 21 Mar 1996 18:11:34 -0500 In a message dated 96-03-21 07:17:09 EST, you write: >"In heaven everything is fine, you got yours and I got mine". I haven't seen it mentioned, but for those who care this lyric is from the movie "Eraserhead" and is sung by the Woman in the Radiator. Weird film. If anyone ever figured out what the hell it's about please let me know. :) -Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Propaganda? Date: 21 Mar 1996 23:35:44 -0700 (MST) > I was watching a copy of the DR. Mabuse video and I noticed at the end > where the credits are, it gave thanks to Claudia, Susanne, Ralph and > Andreas. I never new there was anyone named Andreas in the band. [...] > Andreas isn't mentioned in the album "A Secret Wish". Actually he is, although only tangentially: my copy credits "Dr. Mabuse" to "DOERPER-MERTENS-THEIN" -- THEIN being Andreas Thein. As far as I know, all he did with the band was cowrite the one song. There are a couple of non-Propaganda entries in the discography that mention him. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: Re: Propaganda? Date: 22 Mar 1996 12:28:01 +0100 (MET) First of all, hi everyone, as this is my first post to the list... My name is Anders Wahlbom, I'm 21, live in Uppsala, Sweden, fan of Die Krupps and Propaganda. >> I was watching a copy of the DR. Mabuse video and I noticed at the end >> where the credits are, it gave thanks to Claudia, Susanne, Ralph and >> Andreas. I never new there was anyone named Andreas in the band. [...] >> Andreas isn't mentioned in the album "A Secret Wish". > > Actually he is, although only tangentially: my copy credits "Dr. Mabuse" to > "DOERPER-MERTENS-THEIN" -- THEIN being Andreas Thein. As far as I know, > all he did with the band was cowrite the one song. There are a couple > of non-Propaganda entries in the discography that mention him. A couple of years ago I found a copy from 1984 of the German teen mag Bravo, which had in it an early interview with Propaganda - rather shallow, but with a good picture of the original setup with Andreas Thein! A couple of months later I brought it to a Die Krupps concert and showed it to Ralf, who nearly fell off his chair laughing - he hadn't seen it or even thought of it in ten years... The bass player, Ruediger Esch, also found it very funny, especially the little picture of Ralf behind a DX7, with the caption "Ralf ist waehrend der Woche biederer Bankkaufmann" - roughly translated as "Ralf is a serious bank clerk on weekdays" (although my German is a bit rusty, so I might be a bit wrong). FYI, Die Krupps are the nicest people you could ever hope to meet - they always take the time to talk to fans (did you notice I had six words beginning with a "t" in this sentence?), and have autographed well over thirty records and two posters for me... And I also got Ralf's autographs on my Propaganda records. He even took the time to check the lyrics for A Secret Wish that I downloaded from ftp.uwp.edu and correct the mistakes! FYI 2: when Die Krupps played their last tour as an electronic band (without guitars - ah, those were the days) in 92, they did a cover version of Dr. Mabuse! (At least they did in Stockholm - I wasn't there, but a lot of my friends were... I have the tape.) Cheers, Anders Wahlbom - awahlbom@krille.update.uu.se http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ NOW PLAYING: SPK: "Machine Age Voodoo" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanluyke@innet.be (Van Luyken Consultants Belgium) Subject: Re: FGTH "The Tube" _Relax_ video Date: 25 Mar 1996 10:01:23 +0100 (MET) >I just got back from a semi-annual record convention here in Austin, TX and >I picked up a video there called "Video Aid" which is a collection of videos >by various artists, for the band-aid cause. There is a FGTH _Relax_ video >on this compilation that I'd never seen before. On the box, it's listed as >"Frankie Goes to Hollywood, 'Relax' (live excerpt from The Tube) Video >Director - Malcolm Gerrie/Production Company - Tyne Tees Television >Productions Ltd./Publishing Credits - Perfect Songs"... The video itself >seems to be a true live video (performing, not lip syncing), and the song >sounds very... raw. > >I'm not real sure how rare this video is, but since I haven't seen it >mentioned on Lazlo's ZTT discography, or Antal's version of it, I'm assuming >that it is, so I'll give as much info as I can. BTW, this VHS Tape does also exist on Laser Disc 5japan). I just bought a copy this weekend, with of course, A digital quality. Emmanuel Emmanuel Goedseels vanluyke@innet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bortz@postoffice.ptd.net (J Bortz) Subject: ACT: "Chance" Date: 27 Mar 1996 11:47:40 -0500 (EST) I was just wondering if anyone knows exactly how many copies of the "Chance" 12" were ever maid. I was told that there were only about 40 pressings and then deleated due to an ABBA sample. If anyone knows the exact no. please let me know! Thanks! Cheers, Josh =20 ______ | ___ `\ Josh Bortz aka (bortz@ptd.net) =20 | | | | =20 | | M | | - Zang Tumb Tuum - | `---` / ______________________________________ | |~~~~` | | |_| A C | "the dark religions are departed | | and sweet Science reigns" | H I N | | | - Claudia Br=81cken | E R Y |______________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Ingram Subject: Prodigy AoN Sample Date: 28 Mar 1996 09:56:18 +0000 Not really being into the dance scene, I've just found out that a song that's been catching my ear of late is in fact the new Prodigy single. The reason why it grabbed my attention, besides being a rare dance track that's actually quite listenable, is that I'm sure there's an AoN sample in the track, the "Hey Hey Hey" used extensively through the "Who's Afraid" period. Can anyone confirm this? There's also something that sounds suspiciously like it's been lifted from Talking Heads' "Remain In Light" album, although I can't quite place the source down to a particular song. +----------------+-----------------+----------------+------------------+ | Keep the faith, | How unwelcome is wisdom when | | don't lose your head | it brings no profit to the wise | | | | | (Marillion, Afraid of Sunlight) | (Pendragon, Guardian of my Soul) | +----------------+-----------------+----------------+------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: heapsn@which.co.uk (Nick) Subject: Re: Prodigy AoN Sample Date: 28 Mar 1996 10:59:18 +0100 On the back cover of the single, the entire AON team are credited (JJ Jeczalik, Anne Dudley, Gary Langan, Trevor Horn and Paul Morley). So yes - it must be an Art of Noise sample. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: ACT: "Chance" Date: 28 Mar 1996 18:59:09 +0000 On Mar 27, 11:47am, J Bortz wrote: > Subject: ACT: "Chance" > > I was just wondering if anyone knows exactly how many copies of the "Chance" > 12" were ever maid. I was told that there were only about 40 pressings and > then deleated due to an ABBA sample. If anyone knows the exact no. please > let me know! Thanks! As always, I don't know any facts about it. But I have the impression there got to be more floating around: If I just count the people I know who have one, I get to at least 5. -Joerg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: (Fwd) Re: FGTH "The Tube" _Relax_ video Date: 28 Mar 1996 19:04:27 +0000 I am resending the following mail, since I didn't see this coming back to me from the list. (Although I can find it in the archives!) --- Forwarded mail from fitzner@informatik.uni-bonn.de Reply-To: fitzner@informatik.uni-bonn.de Cc: ztt@xmission.com Hello! On March 21th Ralph Sanchez wrote: > I just [...] picked up a video there called "Video Aid" which is a > collection of videos by various artists, for the band-aid cause. > There is a FGTH _Relax_ video on this compilation [...] 'Relax' (live > excerpt from The Tube) [...] > The video itself seems to be a true live video (performing, not lip syncing), > and [...] There's also a middle segment that I'd never heard before: _In > Heaven, Everything's Fine_. > [...] > I'm unsure where this video fits in to the _Relax_ video chronology [...] This video has been shot and aired on british television show "The Tube" before FGTH were signed to ZTT. (This version could be regarded as demo version, so to speak.) Besides the drum intro originally is longer, on the actual show, a brief interview with presentor Jools Holland was immediately following the performance. In this interview, asked about the availability of the track, Holly Johnson said they didn't have a record deal yet. (That must have been around late 82 or early 83.) Tales tell, a member of "Yes" saw the show and brought Trevor Horns attention towards Frankie. The rest is history... {...they found a record deal - but not the best, I guess... ...therefore they put out the best records - that's something!} BTW: One of "The Tube"s title themes has been done by Jeff Beck and Trevor Horn - but I don't know, if that's been used at the time of that performance. > I have, however, read of one [Relax video] that is very > similar to this, but it is mentioned that Holly and Paul climb on each other > and Mark O'Toole wears a Zorro mask. This probably means the video shooting of Two Tribes and Relax at "The Hope and Anchor" club, which Frankie made themselves even before their appearance at "The Tube". Greetings Joerg ---End of forwarded mail from fitzner@informatik.uni-bonn.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: Prodigy AoN Sample Date: 28 Mar 1996 19:24:17 +0000 On Mar 28, 10:59am, Nick wrote: > Subject: Re: Prodigy AoN Sample > > On the back cover of the single, the entire AON team are credited (JJ > Jeczalik, Anne Dudley, Gary Langan, Trevor Horn and Paul Morley). > So yes - it must be an Art of Noise sample. Sure. But I think the real tricky one is the way they were credited: The song also samples another band (which I currently don't recall - they are on the fine 4AD label). This band gets the standard credits for the use of a sample, going like 'sample from ... used courtesy of 4AD'. But the AoN get full detailed writing credits _and_ the following: 'Art Of Noise appear [!] courtesy of ZTT'. In my interpretation, this ('appear') would usually mean AoN did some real collaboration on this track. But that "hey!"-sample is the only recognizable thing! If those extensive credits were AoN's price for only clearing that sample, I can't really understand The Prodigy. I'm saying this because I think that price would be far too much for a tiny little sample, which doesn't change anything to the song. So my conclusion is: AoN either did something more to this track, or The Prodigy are worshipping the AoN so much they'd do anything to be allowed to write the name on their records. Does anybody have a clue? For those with the eyes (and ears) for the finer details... Joerg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Xavier =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lotth=E9?= Subject: Help: Looking for the 4AD mailing list... Date: 29 Mar 1996 21:35:05 +0200 I've read in the 'Publicly Accessible Mailing Lists' listing from the rtfm.mit.edu that there was a mailing list on the 4AD label. >4AD-L > Contact: listserv@jhuvm.bitnet > > Purpose: This list is for discussion of music on the 4AD Records > label, which includes Cocteau Twins, Throwing Muses, Breeders, Belly, > Colourbox, and many others. The 4AD label is known for the acoustic, > ethereal sound of its roster. As you surely know, Dead Can Dance can be found on this label. DCD will perform in Paris, France next june and I intend to go and be= delighted. I would like to get more info on the label, I get the answer 'jhuvm.bitnet: host unknown' though. Could anyone of you tell me where they can be found or if the list still exists ? Thanks for your help. Jean-Xavier Lotth=E9 <=3D=3D=3D=3D Little Froggy ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BearCub4@aol.com Subject: RECORD COLLECTOR Date: 29 Mar 1996 20:51:41 -0500 Do any of you own the issue that was dedicated to ZTT? I'm also trying to get the issue(s) dealing with THE COMMUNARDS/BRONSKI BEAT, Howard Jones, Camouflage, Black, and Frazier Chorus. Erasure, Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Wire (and related), Anything Box, The Smiths, Future Sound of London (and related), Global Communication, etc. are all other collections I have. I have their 1994 annual rare records guide, but in no way is it complete. So the back-issues I'd be looking for, or photocopies of the discographies include: 102, 137, 110, 131, 69 Hope someone out there can help! -Charlie in NJ